Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/09/1997 01:30 PM Senate JUD

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         HB   9 VICTIM'S RIGHT TO BE PRESENT AT TRIAL                         
                                                                              
  JIM SOURANT , legislative assistant to Representative Porter,                
 sponsor of the measure, and  ANNE CARPENETI , Assistant Attorney              
 General, Department of Law (DOL) took the witness stand.  Mr.                 
 Sourant noted Janice Lienhart, the recipient of the National Crime            
 Victim Service Award, was available to testify from Anchorage via             
 teleconference and commented on her outstanding service in the area           
 of crime victims' rights in the State of Alaska.  He then explained           
 HB 9 is the statutory realization of a constitutional amendment               
 adopted two years ago.  Article 1, Section 24, of that amendment              
 contains a list of the rights of crime victims to ensure that those           
 rights are elevated to at least that of criminal defendants.  The             
 part of HB 9 that is most relevant to the constitutional amendment            
 is the idea that crime victims have the right to be in the                    
 courtroom at all times that the criminal defendant, or juvenile if            
 a juvenile proceeding, has the right to be in the courtroom -                 
 notwithstanding the fact that the victim may be later called upon             
 as a witness.  Sections 1 and 2 modify Alaska Evidence Rule 615,              
 the exclusionary rule, and recognize the right of a crime victim to           
 be in a courtroom at any time the criminal defendant is present.              
 The State of New Hampshire has modified its equivalent of Alaska              
 Evidence Rule 615 without a constitutional amendment.  That                   
 modification was upheld by the New Hampshire Supreme Court.   In              
 March, 1997 Congress enacted the Victims' Rights Clarification Act            
 of 1997.  That bill is consistent with HB 9 regarding a victim's              
 right to be present in the courtroom, and is retroactive so that              
 the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing can be present during that           
 trial.  He asked Ms. Carpeneti to comment on the other substantive            
 provisions of HB 9.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 105                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. CARPENETI  commented that prior testimony in other committees on         
 modification of the exclusionary rule has revealed concern about              
 the possibility that the victim's testimony might be tainted after            
 listening to other witness' testimony.  She noted the victim's                
 story has been previously recorded in several ways; by a                      
 description of events to police officers and in Grand Jury                    
 testimony so that it is on record before he/she testifies at a                
 trial.  The precaution against tainting testimony is not very                 
 strong in relation to constitutional requirement.                             
                                                                               
  MS. CARPENETI  gave the following sectional analysis of the                  
 remainder of HB 9.  Sections 3 through 6 deal with exemptions upon            
 levy for assets that provide that a person's liquid assets and                
 wages are free from being levied by creditors.  Those sections                
 exempt victims who have an order for restitution so that the levy             
 can occur to fulfill restitution obligations.                                 
                                                                               
 Section 7 makes a minor change in the definition of "incapacitated"           
 in sexual assault statutes.  To establish that the victim was                 
 incapacitated will require proof that the victim was unable to                
 appraise the nature of the act or was physically unable to express            
 unwillingness.  Ms. Carpeneti thought that it should be clear that            
 the State has to prove one or the other, but not both.                        
                                                                               
 Section 8 creates a class A misdemeanor for interfering with the              
 report of the crime of domestic violence.  Often, in domestic                 
 violence cases, a phone is pulled out of the wall to prevent the              
 victim from calling police.  That action escalates the danger of              
 the situation and makes the victim unable to communicate with                 
 anyone who might help.                                                        
                                                                               
 Sections 9 through 12 bring Alaska's bail statutes into line with             
 current court practice and constitutional requirements.  Judges are           
 now considering the safety of the victims when ordering bail or               
 setting conditions of release.                                                
                                                                               
 Section 13 limits the situations where the court can order a mental           
 examination of the victim at the request of the defendant.  Mental            
 examinations of victims should be ordered in very rare                        
 circumstances because it is such an invasion of one's dignity.                
 Last year the Legislature passed laws which limited the ability of            
 representatives of the defense team to contact the victim.  DOL's             
 Special Prosecutions Office attorneys thought about situations in             
 which a victim's mental examination might be relevant and those               
 situations are excepted, otherwise Section 13 provides that a                 
 psychiatric examination should not be ordered.                                
                                                                               
 Section 4 amends the three-judge panel statute.  In Alaska's                  
 sentencing laws, a three-judge panel is available to a defendant or           
 the State if, in certain circumstances, the presumptive sentence              
 does not fit the particular case.  The three-judge panel has more             
 power than a sentencing court when a presumptive sentence is                  
 required by statute.  Section 4 provides that if the panel                    
 supplements the record by taking testimony from the defendant, the            
 victim may also testify.                                                      
                                                                               
 Section 15 amends the section dealing with crime victims' rights              
 and brings notice requirements from other titles into Title 12 so             
 that most of the rights to notice are located in one title.                   
                                                                               
 Section 16 provides that an application for compensation from the             
 Violent Crimes Compensation Board (VCCB) and supporting data is               
 confidential.  That is the current practice but sometimes the Board           
 has to defend a subpoena or request and has asked that the statute            
 clarify that the information is not public.                                   
                                                                               
 Section 17 deals with the right to be present at trial.  Section 18           
 provides that a victim may testify telephonically before a Grand              
 Jury under the same circumstances that other witnesses are allowed            
 to testify telephonically.                                                    
                                                                               
 Section 19 amends the rules of evidence to allow the use of                   
 evidence of prior acts of domestic violence in the prosecution of             
 a case.  The reason for this change is that frequently domestic               
 violence cases are prosecuted without a witness to the offense.               
 The victim may have recanted or refused to cooperate out of fear,             
 or for many other reasons.  More often, the police officer who was            
 at the scene testifies to what occurred.                                      
                                                                               
 Ms. Carpeneti concluded the sectional analysis by saying the                  
 remaining provisions deal with the exclusionary rule of witnesses             
 as they relate to victims.                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. CARPENETI  stated DOL has suggested an amendment to                      
 Representative Porter who agrees to it if the committee will                  
 consider it at this point.  The amendment provides specifically               
 that in a case where an indictment is dismissed by the Trial Court            
 and the State intends to, or does, appeal the dismissal, that the             
 release of the defendant be according to the rules of pre-trial               
 release.  Recently an order by the Supreme Court unconditionally              
 released a defendant after an indictment had been dismissed by the            
 Superior Court and the State appealed the dismissal with the Court            
 of Appeals.  This same procedure using pre-trial release rules is             
 used by the federal court system.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 245                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  noted Section 19, regarding admissibility of                
 evidence in domestic violence cases, amends Evidence Rule 404.  He            
 asked whether evidence of prior crimes is admissible in any other             
 circumstances.                                                                
                                                                               
  MS. CARPENETI  said there are other circumstances where prior bad            
 acts are admissible to establish the State's case, for example                
 sexual abuse of a minor under certain circumstances. The general              
 rule is one cannot use prior bad acts to establish propensity to              
 prove the person acted in accordance with how he/she behaved in the           
 past, but there are a number of exceptions.                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  asked if this evidence would be used to prove one's         
 guilt at this time, and whether it could be used to secure                    
 applications for restraining orders.  He questioned whether it                
 applies strictly to convictions of crimes involving domestic                  
 violence.                                                                     
                                                                               
  MS. CARPENETI  answered the State would have to make a preliminary           
 showing to the Court that the information was still relevant; the             
 evidence could not automatically be introduced.                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  asked if, in the area of sexual abuse, and evidence         
 of sexual abuse, is the wording in 404 evidence of sexual abuse or            
 is it evidence of conviction.  MS. CARPENETI thought it was                   
 evidence of prior bad acts.                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  questioned whether a court order can override               
 Section 16, regarding the confidentiality of records before the               
 VCCB.  MS. CARPENETI   answered that provision was added to the bill          
 because records have been subpoenaed and the State has to litigate.           
 She thought under certain circumstances one could ask the court               
 because there might be reasons unrelated to this specific issue,              
 but generally, the records should be kept confidential.                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  asked about the current problem.  MS. CARPENETI             
 said people are asking for subpoenas and DOL has to fight the                 
 request.  DOL has won every time so far.   SENATOR PARNELL  asked if          
 the intent of the sponsor is that a court order could override this           
 provision in certain circumstances.  MS. CARPENETI said she would             
 have to know what circumstances because the provision is clear the            
 records are confidential.                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  asked why, as a policy matter, we would want to             
 never allow those records to be reviewed.  MS. CARPENETI replied              
 the applications contain medical records and personal information             
 from victims.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  asked if there is ever a time when the State ends           
 up in a civil proceeding between the two and the evidence is                  
 necessary for impeachment purposes for the victim.  MS. CARPENETI             
  stated she is not familiar with any such situations, and does not            
 believe any have arisen.   SENATOR PARNELL  clarified he understands          
 the importance of protecting the information, but is trying to                
 understand the intent with respect to the scope of the protection.            
  MS. CARPENETI  answered the intent is to avoid litigating every time         
 someone asks for the records.  When people ask for a subpoena, DOL            
 opposes the motion and has prevailed, but DOL wants to avoid                  
 litigating every time someone wants to get the records.  She agreed           
 this provision would supersede the court's decision.                          
                                                                               
 Number 326                                                                    
                                                                               
  PAUL SWEET  testified via teleconference from Mat-Su in opposition           
 to HB 9.  He asked whether a victim will be able to testify at an             
 appeals case in which the defense is arguing that the sentence was            
 too stiff.     MS. CARPENETI  clarified when a person appeals a               
 sentence, the Court of Appeals makes the decision based on the                
 record before it; it does not take more testimony from anyone.                
 Both the State and the defendant present their respective                     
 positions.  In such cases, the State designates, as part of the               
 record on appeal, any statement that the victim has made in terms             
 of the sentence given to the Court prior to the presentence report            
 so the victim's point of view regarding the appropriate sentence is           
 on the record in every case.                                                  
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  added the Appellate Court should be able to do one           
 of three things:  either affirm the sentence handed down by the               
 judge, reduce the sentence, or increase it.  If an increase was a             
 possibility, many specious appeals would not occur.   MR. SWEET               
 commented that every time the perpetrator has a right to appeal,              
 the victim should have the same right.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 364                                                                    
                                                                               
  CONNIE TROMBLE  testified via teleconference from Bethel and noted           
 her support for HB 9.                                                         
                                                                               
  JANICE LIENHART  testified via teleconference from Anchorage in              
 support of HB 9 and made the following remarks.  The intent of the            
 constitutional amendment is to allow victims to attend all hearings           
 that the defendant can attend because the victim is kept from so              
 much information from the first point of prosecution:  the police             
 cannot give any information until the trial.  When a victim is not            
 allowed to attend the hearing, he/she does not get answers or                 
 closure.  She believes victims will be as honest as they can                  
 because they want to see justice served.  HB 9 will put teeth in              
 the constitutional amendment and positively impact families who now           
 have to live through the nightmare of having no information about             
 the criminal justice process and are unable to participate.  She              
 noted she has been trying to help a woman in Texas who witnessed              
 the murder of her daughter.  Because this woman was a witness she             
 is not allowed to attend the trial which is very difficult for her.           
                                                                               
 Number 392                                                                    
                                                                               
  LINDA THOMAS , an attorney with Rex Lamont Butler & Associates in            
 Anchorage, testified in opposition to the provisions that eliminate           
 the exclusionary rule.  One of the most important tools to protect            
 innocent persons wrongfully accused from being wrongfully convicted           
 is the tool of cross-examination: it is fundamental to a                      
 defendant's Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses, and to               
 effective assistance of counsel.  This is especially true in sexual           
 assault and domestic violence cases where the primary evidence is             
 the complainant's identification or an accuser's testimony and the            
 only defense may be impeachment through cross-examination.                    
 Elimination of the exclusionary rule will weaken that tool and it             
 eviscerates fundamental constitutional rights designed to protect             
 those accused of crimes.  For whatever reason, we know that there             
 are some people who falsely accuse others, sometimes when                     
 relationships are ending they use it as a means to seek financial             
 leverage or power in a custody dispute, or maybe out of revenge to            
 a lover or even as an alibi for their own sexual conduct, for                 
 example sometimes in teenagers' unwanted pregnancies.  If a false             
 accuser is allowed to stay in the courtroom, he or she is given an            
 opportunity to hear all other testimony and they can clean up any             
 inconsistencies in their testimony which might have been revealed             
 on cross examination.  If a false accuser is permitted in a                   
 courtroom, they get an opportunity to dot their i's and cross the             
 t's on all their lies.  According to Linda Farenstein [ph], former            
 New York District Attorney and director of Manhattan's Sex Crimes             
 Prosecution Unit, who for 20 years put sex offenders away, found              
 that 60 percent of child sex abuse allegations against men were               
 false and 50 percent of all rape allegations were false.  The final           
 analysis of a United States Air Force study in 1985 found 60                  
 percent of the original rape claims to be false.  In two reports in           
 Canada, 50 percent of child sex abuse allegations were found to be            
 false with the figure climbing to 70 percent when a custody fight             
 was raging.  With regard to how this plays out in sexual assault              
 cases and domestic violence cases in Alaska, we are finding that if           
 a complainant makes a false allegation of sexual assault, and later           
 tries to recant, many prosecutors are not permitting the                      
 recantation, instead, in a rather neo-paternalistic way, they hire            
 expert witnesses to testify that the recantation is evidence of a             
 cycle of abuse.  There is an underlying premise that men abuse                
 women unless proven otherwise.  The obvious conclusion is that the            
 State does not believe there is any such thing as a false                     
 allegation, yet for eight consecutive years since 1989, the FBI,              
 through DNA testing, found that 25 percent of the sexual assault              
 cases ready to go to trial were based on false accusations.  In a             
 research report by the Department of Justice, called Convicted by            
 Juries, Exonerated by Science, 28 cases were studied, where men              
 were later exonerated by DNA test results.  Most had been convicted           
 based primarily on victim identification.  In the first case a                
 woman was seeking an alibi for her teenage pregnancy.  These men,             
 convicted on false accusations, faced sentences ranging from eight            
 years to the death penalty and served an average of 12 years in               
 jail.   Every man is vulnerable to false accusations and if it                
 happens in this State, the defendant needs to defend against the              
 State's theories of domestic violence and recantation, against its            
 resources, and will have to rely on the cross examination of a                
 complainant.  If HB 9 passes, it will permit the accuser to hear              
 all of the testimony.  She urged the committee not to eliminate the           
 exclusionary rule, and to keep the hysteria in check.                         
                                                                               
 Number 457                                                                    
                                                                               
  ROBERT BUTTCANE , Division of Family and Youth Services (DFYS),              
 Department of Health and Social Services, testified in favor of HB
 9, and specifically to Section 17.  DFYS has found that allowing              
 victims greater access to the juvenile justice system has been a              
 very effective rehabilitative tool.                                           
                                                                               
  JAYNE ANDREEN , Director of the Council on Domestic Violence and             
 Sexual Assault (CDVSA), testified in support of HB 9.  In response            
 to Senator Parnell's questions about the Violent Crimes                       
 Compensation Board, she noted it is her understanding that the                
 records obtained by VCCB as part of the compensation process are              
 protected under federal guidelines in the Victims' of Crime Act.              
 Section 16 brings Alaska statute into compliance with that Act and            
 will reduce the number of subpoenas that the VCCB and DOL have to             
 deal with.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 471                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR PEARCE  asked Ms. Andreen to respond to Ms. Thomas'                  
 testimony.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. ANDREEN  said she was not aware of all of the studies Ms. Thomas         
 cited, however she is aware of the U.S. Air Force report which                
 determined that 65 percent of sexual assault victims lie or make              
 false accusations.  That report was based on a checklist used to              
 determine the victim's credibility and looked at their social                 
 backgrounds, economic status and employment histories.  Ms. Andreen           
 noted as a former victim of sexual assault, she took the test which           
 determined she was lying.  Consequently, she does not place any               
 value in that report, whatsoever.  In addition, FBI data continues            
 to show that sexual assault reports do not have a higher false                
 reporting rate than any other violent crime.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 484                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  advised that DHSS has distributed consistent                
 reports concerning allegations of child sexual abuse or physical              
 abuse, and continued reports from the Bar Association and others              
 that deal with family law matters, show the extensive use of false            
 accusations as a leverage tool in divorce actions.                            
                                                                               
  MS. ANDREEN  responded that in her 11 years as a victim service              
 advocate and service provider she is aware of those concerns, but             
 has found that in dealing with child sexual abuse cases and the               
 mothers of the children, more often than not the advocates file               
 reports rather than the mothers.  She noted she is aware of a small           
 number of cases in which the service provider felt the mother was             
 overreacting.                                                                 
                                                                               
   Number 493                                                                  
                                                                               
  BARBARA BRINK , Acting Director of the Public Defender Agency,               
 stated that no victims' rights are truly enhanced when the fact-              
 finding process is made less accurate.  She expressed concern that            
 some of the provisions in HB 9, particularly Section 13 which bans            
 psychiatric evaluations and the provision that allows the victim's            
 presence at all stages of the proceeding, will affect the jury's              
 ability to get the information it needs to assess a case in a fair            
 manner.  The exclusionary rule simply says the judge may exclude a            
 victim who also witnessed the events to ensure that victim's                  
 testimony is preserved as accurately as possible.  For many victims           
 the exclusionary rule does not apply.  Victims can attend every               
 part of the proceeding as long as they were not attendant at the              
 event that the jury is trying to put back together after the fact.            
 Second, a victim's role in a case is different than other parties'.           
 The State is a party because it can obtain a conviction and is                
 responsible for enforcing society's mores.  It has something to               
 gain or lose.  The defendant is a party because the individual's              
 liberty is at stake.  Although the victim has an interest and the             
 desire to understand what is going on, and a desire to not have               
 things happen in secrecy, the victim is not a stakeholder because             
 he/she does not have something to lose such as life or liberty.               
 The fact that the victim is a witness is more important than                  
 his/her role as a victim.  The fact that they observed and                    
 perceived, and have the ability to recall what happened, is their             
 most important role.  The exclusionary rule allows a judge to                 
 preserve that as truthfully as possible.                                      
                                                                               
 Ms. Brink said unlike Ms. Thomas who is concerned about people who            
 create false allegations and give false testimony, she is concerned           
 about those witnesses who have no axe to grind, who are simply                
 there to testify and tell the truth.  The ability to hear what                
 other witnesses say about what happened affects them in a very                
 subconscious and difficult to ascertain fashion.  The human brain             
 is not like a videotape or audiotape, it does not record things 100           
 percent, so the legal system tries to preserve recollections and              
 not taint them.  Even though witnesses have given statements in the           
 past, and might have testified in front of a Grand Jury, that is              
 not what the jury is listening to; the jury is trying to assess how           
 accurate the witness' memory is based on their testimony.  Ms.                
 Brink repeated she is concerned about those witnesses who are                 
 honestly trying their best to recall events accurately and does not           
 believe another hurdle should be thrown in their path.  It will               
 give the jury another piece of the puzzle to assess: how much of              
 the testimony is because of what the victim heard other witnesses             
 say.  She discussed a recent Scientific American television program           
 on human memory which compared verbal accounts of an event before             
 and after seeing a photograph.  The accounts, after seeing the                
 photograph changed substantially and demonstrated that every                  
 person's memory was impacted by what was seen in the photograph.              
 That is why police interview people who witnessed an accident                 
 individually.  The exclusionary rule is simply a tool that                    
 recognizes how the brain works and applies that knowledge in the              
 courtroom setting.                                                            
                                                                               
 Ms. Brink disagreed with previous testimony about the new federal             
 rule and how it applies to the Oklahoma City bombing case.  The new           
 rule only refers to witnesses who are going to testify at the                 
 penalty phase; it does not give the green light to those witnesses            
 who are trying to put the events together.  She urged the committee           
 to not adopt the change to the exclusionary provision and added               
 that a prosecutor can eliminate the whole problem by calling a                
 witness to testify first in the proceeding.                                   
                                                                               
 Ms. Brink discussed the psychiatric evaluation prohibition in                 
 Section 13 and agreed 100 percent with Ms. Carpeneti that                     
 psychiatric evaluations of victims should only be done in the                 
 rarest of circumstances, as is current practice.  Right now, as a             
 criminal defense lawyer, in order to get a psychiatric evaluation             
 she must prove to the judge two things: first that the victim, who            
 is claiming the event happened, has a definite psychological or               
 psychiatric condition that is directly related to his/her ability             
 to tell the truth, and second that the victim's testimony is not              
 corroborated by anything or is otherwise untrustworthy.  It is only           
 in the rarest of rare circumstances that such an examination is               
 allowed.  Even the Court of Appeals has stated it is not going to             
 let anyone abuse this process.  Everyone has to meet that very                
 difficult standard to prove the examination will yield relevant               
 evidence and not harass the victim.  She recounted the following              
 case.  A man was accused of sexual assault and admitted that he had           
 engaged in the alleged sexual conduct which he thought was                    
 consensual.  The victim, who said it was forced, had a psychiatric            
 history.  She was psychotic and when she did not take medication,             
 heard voices and said she was directed to do things by people who             
 did not exist.  Her ability to recall and perceive the events in              
 question was very suspect.  She had made false accusations of                 
 people in the past, including a Supreme Court Justice.  Under this            
 rule, the jury will not hear any of that and will have to decide              
 whether the accusation is true without knowing what the accuser's             
 true state of memory is.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 562                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  asked how often a mental examination of the victim          
 is requested by the defense in a sexual assault case.   MS. BRINK             
 said in her nine years of trying cases, she has requested two                 
 examinations and was denied both times.  She said she was aware of            
 a request granted in a Fairbanks case and in the case she just                
 described.                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  asked if AS 11.41 is the rape statute.   MS. BRINK          
 replied AS 11.41.400 pertains to sexual assault; AS 11.41 covers              
 all crimes against people.                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  stated he would entertain a motion to delete                
 Section 13 regarding mental examinations.   SENATOR PARNELL  made the         
 motion.  There being no objection, Section 13 was deleted.                    
                                                                               
 Number 587                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  informed committee members there is a second                
 amendment in committee members' packets, submitted by the sponsor,            
 which pertains to release pending appeal, as explained by Ms.                 
 Carpeneti.  There being no objection to the adoption of amendment             
                                                                               
  SENATOR ELLIS  asked for further elaboration on the change to the            
 exclusionary rule.   CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  noted he is concerned about             
 changing it and requested research on the subject which revealed              
 nothing new.  He said if an attorney has a weak witness, and a                
 whole battery of strong witnesses, the attorney can put the strong            
 witnesses on first and by the time the weak witness has watched               
 them testify, he/she "learns the ropes" and becomes stronger.  If             
 the witness is not allowed to watch others testify, his/her                   
 strength on the witness stand will not change.                                
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-27, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR ELLIS  asked if there is any reasonable way to find a middle         
 ground to the exclusionary rule change or whether it is an all or             
 nothing consideration.   MS. CARPENETI  responded it is unusual to            
 even be discussing the exclusionary rule because the constitutional           
 amendment on victims' rights that was adopted by a large percentage           
 of the population mandates what HB 9 does.   CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  added           
 that the public was sold the victims' rights amendment to the                 
 Constitution without much, if any, discussion or debate about the             
 exclusionary rule.   Discussion centered around victims' rights to            
 restitution and to be informed, etc.  He supported the amendment              
 but after recently rereading it, he was surprised to find the                 
 number of aspects of victims' rights that were never discussed.  He           
 said he believes this aspect of the exclusionary rule has already             
 been run roughshod by that vote, and at this point it is up to the            
 Supreme Court to decide whether they are going to provide for that            
 aspect of human nature that we all know to exist.                             
                                                                               
  MS. CARPENETI  noted that although litigation may occur regarding            
 the defendant's right to a fair trial, the Constitution now                   
 specifically provides that the victim has the right to be present.            
  CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  concluded he does not believe there is a way to             
 find a middle ground at this point because the Constitution has               
 already been amended.                                                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  moved CSHB 9 (JUD) from committee with individual           
 recommendations.  There being no objection, the motion carried.               

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